Oh my god yes. Gellert AND Credence catching Newt. Newt being so horribly confused about why Credence is now helping the bad guy. And Gellert letting Credence break Newt, only getting involved when his pants get too tight. THIS.

Okay but what about – Gellert TEACHING Credence how to break Newt??

“Harder, my boy. See the set of his jaw? He doesn’t understand his place yet. No, no, leave the blindfold on, I want you to see what sensory deprivation does to a person.”

While Newt begs Credence to stop and think, Gellert is using him, already used him in New York, please Credence there are people who can help you –

And Credence just stares at him with a look of awe on his face, marveling at the power Gellert is teaching him to wield over another human being. He loves Newt’s whimpers, his pleas, the way his body gets all soft and desperate when he’s hurt.

As Newt comes closer and closer to breaking Credence grows to admire Gellert more and more.

Grindelwald watches Credence touch and explore his body and gets so painfully aroused, but he knows that the boy needs time. But pleasuring himself is not enough to satisfy Grindelwald’s need, so Percival has to be the “victim”. He wants Percival to suffer twice as much as he has to, so he restrains him and edges him into insanity. Then he fucks him until they both are screaming. And Credence has no idea of Grindelwald’s desire for his body.

Ooh poor Percy XD It sounds like Grindelwald is holding him captive? In which case I love the idea that while Gellert may have taken great pleasure in playing with him at first, he now uses him only as a substitute for someone he desires more. Maybe Percival even misses when Grindelwald used to treat him as someone special, even though he hates himself for feeling that way. But Grindelwald’s moved on, and Percival is nothing special at all anymore. Used up and replaced.

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kier1926:

kier1926:

One of my favourite moments with Credence in FB2 is when Nagini hugs him after everything that happened with Irma and Grimmson, and he raises his hands – but can’t hug her back.

So. I need a grindence nsfw where Grindelwald asks Credence not just accept touches but touch him in return, telling him what to do, guiding his hands with his own, praising him and enjoying him.

Words cannot express how much I would love to see this.

What about Credence being the whipping boy for all of Gellert’s anger and resentment towards Albus? He couldn’t have him, and Albus turned his back on him, so now he has Credence (possibly young Dumbledore brother) to take it all out on, both as punishment and sex.

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mercurial-tenacity:

I am so here for Gellert taking out all of his issues with Albus on poor Credence – who, despite presumably researching the wizarding world after leaving New York, cannot possibly have the full context for who Albus is and why Gellert is does what he does.

Personally I have a soft spot for Gellert being horribly, manipulatively gentle with Credence, but I can get behind Gellert being rough and aggressive with him as well.  Perhaps after he’s thoroughly won Credence to his side and doesn’t need to be so careful with him anymore his behavior starts to change; the gentle touches turn more demanding, words become harsh, and gradually Gellert grows outright cruel.

He’s still kind and gentle sometimes, though – when he’s in a good mood, just often enough to make sure that Credence won’t ever leave him.

I like your soft spot.

Maybe he fears his personality coming out too much
in front of Credence, and knows that it will, eventually. He is cruel and
manipulative and controlling by nature, even in those rare, rare moments that
he does, actually, care for someone. He doesn’t necessarily want to be, but it’s the way he is. He could have become that way with Albus,
and he knows it. It probably did come out in little ways while they were swept up
together, and of course, at the end. It blew up astronomically. He fears this
will cause him to lose Credence (again, exactly as his callousness and
obliviousness did in New York) and tries to hold it back as long as possible.
But he still snaps. His temper still rises and carries him away, no matter how
much he doesn’t want to hurt the boy in the long run. His viciousness wants him
to hurt the boy in the moment. Regret follows after.

I love this so much.

Gellert doesn’t want to hurt Credence, but sometimes he needs to. He gets agitated, worked up – and it’s always worst when it’s to do with Albus. Gellert uncovers a spy in his ranks, learns of some counter move, and it’s bad enough that his plans are being disrupted but worse that it’s Albus doing it – Albus, who was supposed to rule at his side –

It’s time like that when Gellert finds he needs to see Credence cry.

Once the anger fades afterwards he takes Credence into his arms, soothes him and holds him close, and Gellert knows how lucky he is that the boy sees a certain amount of abuse as a necessary component of love.

On his rescue mission for Credence Newt gets caught by Grindelwald. He then makes sure to break him and to make him his good pet. He also makes sure Dumbledore knows what’s happening. And when Dumbledore tries to save Newt he sends his pet against Albus, knowing he could never hurt his former student.

I am so here for Gellert using Newt against Albus. Just – yes, the emotional torture of making sure Albus knows Newt is being broken, the struggle of Newt either being forced to fight against him or being used as collateral – so good.

The worst part, for Newt, is that by the time he gets there Credence doesn’t even want saving. He’s been thoroughly won over, and maybe he’s even the one who gets Newt caught.

Gellert makes sure to shield Credence from the more brutal aspects of Newt’s reconditioning, but he does involve the boy when he can – it’s good for Credence to be exposed to that sort of thing, and it goes so far to emphasize Newt’s failure.

Theseus is the only one who objects to Newt’s marriage to Albus. He keeps crowing about how Newt is too young and he doesn’t have to do this. But Newt loves Hogwarts and he wants to learn and finish his schooling. This is the only way. As time goes on, Theseus notices the little touches and how Newt seems to become increasingly dependent on Albus. He sees Newt tense or relax when Albus leaves or enters the room. Theseus knows it’s not healthy, but Newt refuses to hear him out.

Protective big bro Theseus, yes! He doesn’t doubt Albus’ intentions – much – but Newt is just too young for this, it has consequences Newt isn’t thinking about, of course he doesn’t want his little brother expelled but he’ll teach him magic his own damn self if he has to, this just isn’t right.

But the rest of his family doesn’t want the shame of their son being expelled, and maybe with a marriage to such a powerful and prestigious wizard Newt will turn out being good for something anyway. And Newt wants this after all, he’s practically begging to be allowed.

I love the thought that in some aspects Newt isn’t even aware he’s being trained. It’s pretty clear the gloves are a punishment, yes, but what’s not so obvious is when he starts to associate a touch at the small of his back with being reminded to obey, or a squeeze of his shoulder with being asked for silence. What’s not so obvious is how tense and anxious he gets when Albus refuses to touch him at all, and sags with relief and tries even harder to obey when Albus eventually relents.

Theseus can see it – the way Newt starts looking to Albus for confirmation or permission when he talks, how so many of his sentences end with “I’ll ask if it’s okay,” when Theseus tries to make plans with him.

Newt doesn’t see it, he doesn’t want to, and it simultaneously breaks Theseus’ heart and fills him with frustrated anger at the situation.

I wonder if Theseus would try confronting Albus about it once it’s clear Newt won’t listen?

I love how quiet Grindelwald is. He doesn’t shout, he doesn’t rage, he’s always in control. This makes him SO sexy and attractive of course dangerous omg. I think Credence would feel the same – he would be terribly scared of Grindelwald, but just being near him would make his feelings go wild. And Grindelwald would love his mixed feelings oh YES

Right??  It’s wonderful.  He’s coiled, poised, ready to strike and always in control.  He doesn’t have to posture because he already knows how fucking badass he is.

It would make Credence absolutely melt, and Gellert would feed off his fear and desire.

In CoG there was this scene where Albus stood in front of the mirror of Erised. I like to think that sometimes he went there all alone at night, looking at Gellert in the mirror and pleasuring himself. The guilt (bc of Ariana) and pain Albus must feel, and still he can’t resist stroking himself while watching Grindelwald smirk. I like to think that somehow Gellert knows and enjoys it.

The poor man… I love it though.  He knows exactly what it feels like to go mad in front of that mirror, aching for the touch of hands he can see but never feel, the sound of a voice when he can see lips moving but never hear it.  All the guilt and shame and pain welling up in his chest, and he comes gazing into Grindelwald’s eyes, a sob ripped from his throat.

Idk how Gellert would know, but I love the image tbh – how smug he’d be knowing what his memory is doing to Albus after all these years.

When Albus marries Newt his intentions are honorable, but he is a man and he has those dark thoughts. He remembers Gellert’s betrayal and how he left him. He worries Newt might leave or betray him too. So he decides to train Newt to be a good boy. Not only will things be better for him, but for Newt too. It’s good to be a good boy, right? He starts training Newt through touch. The gloves are his punishments and Albus’s actual hands are his rewards because he’s not allowed to cum from the gloves.

Omg I love this.  It all started out with the best intentions, but just… slowly… went wrong.  Not that Albus or Newt think of it that way – Albus is doing the right thing, the necessary thing, and Newt – well, by now Newt just wants to be a good boy for his husband.  He trusts Albus, he knows he’s doing this to help him, just like he’s done so much already. Newt owes it to him to be a good boy, and he did take a vow of obedience.

And the training works.  He learns to love Dumbledore’s hands, and even to love obeying.  He feels so secure knowing Albus is making the choices; this way Newt can’t ruin things again.  Albus wouldn’t ever say that to him, he truly doesn’t want to shame or humiliate him for what happened, but Newt knows it’s better this way.  He needs someone else to make the decisions or he’d just make more mistakes.  So he doesn’t fight when Albus takes control.

ooooh I like the concept of Grindelwald watching Credence touch himself. Do you think he’d be more into playing with the boy himself, or just watching him masturbate?

I think he’d do both.

He’d seduce Credence slowly, being so careful of his boundaries and never to push him, never asking for anything he wasn’t comfortable with.  He’d be patient and so very kind, giving Credence soft touches and working up to kisses, never ever doing more than he could handle.

And he’d watch Credence play with himself at night, so achingly aroused by seeing his tentative, exploratory touches as he learns his own body.  Credence had always been taught that touching himself was a sin so he’s rather inexperienced, but Gellert finds his naivete in that area incredibly attractive.  It feels so intimate to watch him discover pleasure.

He finds himself looking in on the boy quite often, and before long he notices a pattern – Credence is much more likely to return to his rooms and start touching himself after Gellert gives him a nice, deep kiss.  On the day Credence cries out his name when he orgasms, Gellert comes harder than he has in years.

And when Credence finally finds himself in Gellert’s bed, he knows just how Credence likes to be touched?  All the right places, exactly the right pace, how??